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commodorified ([personal profile] commodorified) wrote2011-12-14 01:06 am

Thoughts on Bulk Food

Since it was either that or Freezers, and Freezers is, really, a subset of Bulk, at least the way we do it. For now I'll talk mostly about bulk that can be kept at room temperature.

We buy a lot of stuff in bulk; it's one of the ways we keep food costs lower and food quality higher than we otherwise could. Over the course of many years and a lot of mistakes I've developed some criteria for deciding what should and what should not be bought in bulk, and some ideas about how to make bulk buying as painless as possible.

By bulk buying, by the way, I don't mean "buying from the bulk bins", which is almost always a good deal IF you are able to get the same quality of product out of a bulk bin and don't need to worry about cross-contamination or have a way to manage it.

By bulk buying I mean "deliberately buying enough of a given thing that you will not have to buy it again for one or more shopping trips". And yes, you can do bulk buying if you live alone: indeed, you sort of have to, as an amazing number of things are only available, or only available at a tolerable price, in sizes intended for a family of four. If you live alone, Bulk Buying may mean "getting the regular sized bag of rice", but the basic principles still apply.

1) Don't short this week's food to buy something in bulk. If the only way you can buy the 40 kg bag of rice that's such a good deal is by getting fewer vegetables and less milk... that's a bad deal. It is difficult to manage a balanced diet by bulk purchasing alone, and it is very very difficult to manage an appealing and decently varied diet by bulk purchasing alone. If money is tight, setting aside 5-10 percent of your grocery budget every week to put towards building up a nice cushion of bulk-bought foods is going to work out much better.

2) Don't buy what you can't store safely and conveniently. If a bunch of your big bag of flour goes off, or attracts pests, or gets spilt all over the floor, you have not saved money. If the enormous club pack of lightbulbs won't stay on the closet shelf and keeps trying to land on your head, well, eventually it will and they will break.

We have had a couple of outbreaks of meal moths in our kitchen, and once we had mice. We learned fast.

Good storage:

i) Repurposed bulk food containers. Restaurants will often be delighted to let you have some of the white plastic 5-50 gallon jugs that they get food delivered in, if you ask. Scrub them out with dish soap, let them air dry open. If there is any remaining smell of the original foodstuff, put a 1/4 cup of baking soda in the bottom, pour in 4 cups of very hot water, slap the lid on and leave it overnight. The next day your tub should be ready for your new food.

ii) Repurposed jars. Most of our bean stash lives in pasta-sauce jars and similar. The baking-soda trick works here as well - I love pickle jars, but not so much pickle-flavoured tapioca.

iii) Ziploc bags. Not as sturdy as the others, and not free, but more flexible: you can put your purchase in lots of small bags or few large ones, you can split a purchase with someone else, you can freeze stuff in them, you can use them to organise, say, several kinds of rice within one large plastic container. Keeps out bugs but not mice.

iv) Purchased storage, if you can afford it and you're in a hurry. Ziploc, Rubbermaid, Tupperware, or, if you're truly flush at the moment, lovely matched canisters in ceramic or glass. I have a rice jar I inherited from my Gran. I love it to death.

v) For semi-perishables: apples, onions, potatoes, etc do well a) hung up not touching the floor b) in CLOTH bags which c) let air circulate and d) if possible, keep light out (the mesh bags onions come in are okay in a pinch, but your onions won't last quite as long as they would in cloth, and potatoes go green exposed to light). Rotate them regularly, though, so you don't end up with one forgotten spud down at the bottom of the bag going moldy and tainting the rest: just reach in and stir them around some.

Bad storage:

i) Don't repurpose non-food containers to store food in. Even if you've cleaned them out absolutely perfectly, you can't be sure what's leaching out of the plastic. It's not worth it. If you're buying new stuff, make sure that it's marked as food safe if food is going to touch it.

Short form: Plastic that "smells like plastic"? Is not food-safe.

ii) The plastic bags bulk food comes home in: no matter how careful you are, they rip, and your food spills and makes messes and attracts pests.

iii) The outdoors, or areas that are not climate-controlled: I am always tempted to store food in our back extension. And we always end up regretting it when we do. Pop cans explode in winter and shower you with shrapnel - seriously, and also OUCH. Canned food thaws and refreezes and goes mushy. Onions get absolutely disgusting if they freeze and then thaw. And so forth.

If you have a chance to get a really amazing deal on more of something than you can store, see if you can split the purchase with another person or family.

3) Be cautious of buying "exotic" things, or very inflexible things (things that can only be used in a limited number of dishes, prepared or semi-prepared things) in bulk. Are you absolutely SURE that you want to eat five gallons of garlic stuffed olives in the next 18 months? Given that you only decided last week that you really like jasmine rice, or Earl Grey tea, do you want to use it and no other kind of rice or tea for the next three months?

Equally, buy a quantity you will go through while it's genuinely GOOD, not just "still safe to use". The savings on 4 months' worth of coffee over 2 months' worth just doesn't make up for drinking stale-tasting coffee for six weeks.

4) Be cautious of things that require additional steps to preserve them: those olives have to go in the fridge as soon as you break the seal on the jar.

You can get a lot of stewed tomatoes at a pretty good price if you can them yourself, but a) buying a canning setup plus jars is a lot of upfront cost: are you sure you're going to do preserving every year? and b) do you have a friend or relation who cans, or at least have you got a good book out of the library and read it very carefully before investing in the tomatoes? "Putting up" food isn't terribly hard, but it does require some skill, and the penalty for messing up ranges from being out the cost of the food AND the jars and having to clean up a nasty mess, because your food fermented and broke them, to making yourself and others really really ill.

My personal feeling is, only do your own preserving if you enjoy doing it; as with knitting or sewing for yourself, it doesn't honestly save you that much money, and if you paid yourself for your work it wouldn't save you any. If you do like it, it's great; even better if you have friends who like it too.

5) Take your calculator shopping. Some things just don't get all that much cheaper in bulk, and some things are already so incredibly reasonably priced that the cost and trouble of getting set up for massive bulk storage isn't worth it: all-purpose flour. Dried legumes. Noodles or pasta.

Exception: if you can get a higher quality at the same price by buying in bulk. We get Rancho Gordo beans and distributing the shipping over a big order is worthwhile. Buying cheddar in a 5 lb block lets us have really good extra-old white for the price of supermarket own-brand medium cooking cheddar. Etc. This is what Costco is especially good for.

Also, petfood has some special problems: your pet can't exactly tell you the food has gone off, but if it does you may end up with a vaguely poorly, hard-to-diagnose animal who isn't eating well, or even who is being made ill by their food. Also, pets are notoriously kind of volatile about what they will eat: I have returned an awful lot of now 9.5 kg bags to our vet or fed it to the neighbourhood ferals because Mr and Ms FussyPants, who were wolfing The New Food down happily when I was bringing it home in pricey little 500 g sachets have suddenly decided that I am feeding them dirt topped with chopped slug.

6) Remember to factor in transport. [personal profile] random and I have hauled home some truly ridiculously huge boxes and bags by public transit, but I can't do that anymore. OTOH, one cab from the store, or one delivery charge, every three months, can be pretty reasonable, as can getting a friend to drive you and paying them off in shares.

7) Do your bulk shopping when you have as much time, help, and energy as possible, and when you get it all home do the necessary splitting, repacking, labelling and storing right then. Talking of labels, pop into Staples/Office Depot and get a lot of those ones that come off fairly easily; then label everything. If you have to open it to see what it is, you are less likely to use it. Also, you really want to write the purchase date on things.

8) If there are instructions, save them. Nothing fancy: cutting off the relevant part of the box and chucking them all into a shoebox or a drawer will do fine. But do save them; different cereals and rices, for example, have very different cooking times and water/solids ratios, and you will need this information. And if you get serious about bulk buying, chances are you will, at some point, have a lot of jars/bags/canisters of food that look almost, but not quite alike. This is where being able to cross-match the labels and the instructions will save you from accidentally making, as I nearly did once, vegetable-oatmeal soup. You wouldn't think that steel cut oats and pot (as opposed to pearl) barley could look so alike...
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[personal profile] jest 2011-12-14 08:16 am (UTC)(link)
This is true to my experience with bulk buying. Would it be all right if I post a link to this in [community profile] homeeconomics101?
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[personal profile] epershand 2011-12-14 09:03 am (UTC)(link)
Oh yes, this is very true. *Eyes pound of sesame seeds ruefully, determined to work her way through*

A lot of times I clip the label from the bulk food's original packaging and tape it to the container that I've got the food stored in, for an even closer tie. And with things like flour, I clip out and tape on the expiration date too.

Depending on the source, takeout food containers can provide really excellent storage containers--the standard soup containers from Vietnamese restaurants, for instance, are heavy-weight and last forever, as far as I can tell. And since they come either in pint- or quart-size, they're also really handy sizes for small bulk storage eg rice, tapioca, SESAME SEEDS >:(. However, if you're re-using a container that's intended to be disposable, you start to have the same problems as with non-food containers over time--cheaper plastics can break down and start to leech into your food.
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co-operation and bulk buying

[personal profile] jenna_thorn 2011-12-14 02:50 pm (UTC)(link)
One additional thought: make friends with limited budgets and split/trade/barter accordingly.

Splitting the Costco pallet of toilet paper or paper towels makes storing half of it myself (and the other half herself) easier which meant we were more likely to do it (as opposed to the entire pallet taking up a third of my kitchen for six months). We hit Costco twice a year, bought stuff we'd share, went to her house, split the pacakging and I paid half the bill, and ta daa! It takes some organizing, and as I said, a friend with similar toilet paper needs, but we were both in small apartments and single at the time. It made sense.

But friends are even more helpful for preserving. I make kick ass pickles and one good season from the cucumber and pepper plants in my garden can give me three households worth of pickled jalepenos and garlic dill pickles. I'll trade those for a smaller number of jars of marmalade which I will never make again, ever, it's been years and my knuckles still hate me. Or jelly. Because the friend who makes the fabulous jelly (I screw up the pectin and get syrup. It's tasty syrup, usually.) doesn't do brine or booze, but likes pickles and soused fruit. Soused fruit is easy peasy and I like to eat marmalade more than I like to make it. Tadaa! Co-operative household stocking with less waste than if either of us had tried to do it on our own.
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Continuing in my thought train from below...

[personal profile] jenna_thorn 2011-12-14 02:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Wanna trade some sesame seeds for frozen sliced jalepenos? 8-)

I have honey and Silpats. This isn't the recipe I use, but it's close.

Edited (spelling error) 2011-12-15 01:09 (UTC)
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Re: OOh SESAME SEEDS!

[personal profile] reyl 2011-12-14 03:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Sesame seeds are delicious in homemade granola too! My favourite kind is Baklava flavoured; oats, honey sesame, walnuts and a tiny bit of rose water if you like that sort of thing.
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repurposed jars

[personal profile] jenna_thorn 2011-12-14 03:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Editing to sound less snippy isn't working, so I'll caveat up front that I have issues and leave it at that.

Just after the annual glut of Martha Stewart/Paula Deen/Rachael Ray "how to preserve" shows, take a friend and a Saturday morning to drive around the trendier/pricier suburban neighborhoods and hit garage sales or church sales, which can be a better investment of drive time. You will find, still sealed in original boxes, canning equipment, often underneath an uncracked copy of the trendy bullshit "Better living by pretending you're a frontier woman" cookbook of the year.

Don't buy the cookbook, not even for fifty cents. But I have picked up a brand new box of two dozen quart jars for two bucks. Never re-use a ring seal, toss a jar if it gets scratched or mark it as canister storage (for orzo or seasoned flour or salt mix or whatever you use) and watch your storage spaces.

If you buy canisters second hand, check the ring seals. They dry and crack and are no longer airtight. Depending on your climate, this can be nothing or it can lead to spoilage. Spoiled is wasted, and that's not cost-efficient.
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[personal profile] giglet 2011-12-14 03:33 pm (UTC)(link)
This sounds a lot like my experience!

I've also found that I can sometimes de-smell plastic bickets with vinegar. I also tape (relatively fresh) bay leaves to the underside of the bucket lids to discourage moths. I haven't noticed any transfer of smell/taste.
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Re: repurposed jars

[personal profile] jumpuphigh 2011-12-14 04:25 pm (UTC)(link)
That's a great idea for getting more jars. So far, I've been able to reduce my cost in jars by half by using a Groupon for my local ACE Hardware store and buying jars there. They were still pricey though.

labeling jars

(Anonymous) 2011-12-14 04:42 pm (UTC)(link)
I have a shelf of glass coffee jars full of... rice, beans, pasta, chocolate chips, a different shape pasta, a different type rice...

for labeling, I usually cut off the cooking directions and maybe the brand name of the original food package, and tape it to the glass jar. instant ID, and when the food runs out, the jar can be re-labled at the price of a small piece of sticky tape.

very useful, and the glass lets me see how much leftovers should be used up before i open another big box of leftovers.

zivya, enjoying your food posts

with intermittent pictures of nanny ogg and 'the joyes of foode' running through my mind...
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My own personal tip...

[personal profile] legionseagle 2011-12-14 06:36 pm (UTC)(link)
(well, apart from "Never get into bulk buying while living in University accommodation and your boyfriend is the one with the ideas about bulk buying but he also expects you to keep the plastic sack of brown lentils which leaks under the sink in your student room" but several aspects of that you already covered)

Do not under any circumstances take any of the hints included in Jocasta Innes The Paupers' Cookbook (sample nastiness: "I use the cheapest vegetable oil I can find, sold in 7-gallon drums, for cooking and salad dressing. To give olive oil flavour, pack a jar with black olives and fill with oil - keep for making vinaigrette"). In case you find a copy in a charity shop for 10p or less (more if it's a charity you really like) do buy it a) to keep it out of the hands of the inexperienced and naive; and b) because the later sections on "programmed eating" can keep an entire storm-bound household (or crew) enthralled if brought to dramatic life through the medium of charades or interpretative dance.
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Re: co-operation and bulk buying

[personal profile] brownbetty 2011-12-14 06:51 pm (UTC)(link)
This. When I was in college, we put together a tiny onion-buying co-op and bought an eighty pound bag of onions, and holy shit that was cheaper.

But this preserving thing sounds brilliant. Finally, a way to get rid of those jars of jelly! (Must find someone else in the city who preserves!)
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Re: repurposed jars

[personal profile] brownbetty 2011-12-14 06:51 pm (UTC)(link)
When does this annual glut occur? I mean, is it a predictable event?
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Re: My own personal tip...

[personal profile] brownbetty 2011-12-14 07:17 pm (UTC)(link)
I have always wondered what species of madness compels parents to name their daughters Jocasta. Clearly, madness bought on by poor nutrition and botulism.
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Re: My own personal tip...

[personal profile] legionseagle 2011-12-14 07:20 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm tempted to suggest that if you do name your daughter Jocasta you want to be even more scrupulous than usual about the boys she brings home, possibly insisting on DNA tests....

Laurence Durrell called his daughter "Sappho". That ended badly, too.

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Re: My own personal tip...

[personal profile] legionseagle 2011-12-14 07:34 pm (UTC)(link)
One of these days someone will name a corgi after a Chaos deity and will deserve all they get...
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[personal profile] ranunculus 2011-12-14 07:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Second hand shops often have large storage jars, the kind with the metal wire closers, for a fraction of new cost. Replacement rubber rings are available, check anywhere new jars are sold, or online. Jars like this are great for bulk storage. Not only do they keep moths or other pests out of the food, they can keep moths -in- a jar and NOT contaminating all the rest of your food. I put all my dry-goods in glass and I've had no trouble with pests for years.
Moths will chew through plastic bags.

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Re: My own personal tip...

[personal profile] nineveh_uk 2011-12-14 09:12 pm (UTC)(link)
I have fond memories of a billboard-style advert for some sort of large car/people carrier that bore the legend "For people whose child is not called Tarquin".
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Re: My own personal tip...

[personal profile] cleverthylacine 2011-12-14 09:13 pm (UTC)(link)
I still remember all the stories that were told me about a cat named Eris Raven.
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[personal profile] nineveh_uk 2011-12-14 09:16 pm (UTC)(link)
and if you paid yourself for your work it wouldn't save you any.

Oh yes. I always cost my work in, even though I pretty much only sew for myself. I can genuinely save on summer skirts (1m outer, 1m lining, 1 evening's work), but for anything else it is about using my labour as payment in kind towards a better quality product.
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Re: repurposed jars

[personal profile] jenna_thorn 2011-12-14 09:18 pm (UTC)(link)
I haven't noticed a calendar pattern, though there may be one. I tend to look around only when in need. Try in the first flush of spring, when the Christmas gifts are old hat and people who actually change out their closets seasonally are doing so.

But I can tell you that two to three months after Martha Stewart Living publishes an article on canning (or giving gifts of the soup-in-a-jar or cookie-in-a-jar type) there's a whole bunch of unused jars in the neighborhood two over from mine. Mine's solidly middle class, Sharpie on an Avery label, and we use our own cookie-inna-jar recipes, which call for chocolate chips and not macadamia nuts, thankyouverymuch. Closer to the Tollway, it's trophy wives and private schools and zero lots and 18 foot ceilings and professional interior designers. That's the neighborhood you want.

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